In this episode of the Stack8 podcast, we focus on all things Cisco with our special guest Justin Ramirez, the Systems Engineering Director of the Global Collaboration Engineering group at Cisco. We talk about the death of the desk phone, Ai-driven cyber security, 5G, what 2021 and beyond holds for the world, and potentially mention the words un-natural and Mark Zuckerberg in the same sentence. What more could you ask for?